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Old June 10th   #14
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Originally Posted by Samir View Post
And how do you compete with those in your same arena with comparable equipment making 'good enough' shots and giving them away for free? There's more of these people every day in every field of photography.

Photography has changed. People that are in it now fund their equipment from another source of income. So their overhead is less, hence they charge less, hence the full-time photographers can't compete and are going out-of-business. But, the ironic thing is that the newcomers want to eventually go full-time. But that will never happen because that entire field is being destroyed by every new crop of newcomers that have the same dream. It's supply and demand gone haywire with the supply increasing an order of magnitude while the demand stayed relatively flat. If anything, the demand may have actually gone down as image theft for commercial purposes from facebook and other sites is the new way to 'cut costs' in the art department.

Eventually I see photographers as people that you hire to do the job when you don't want to do it yourself. Kinda like an oil change on a car. It's going to be even much more of a commodity than it is right now.

The equipment is advancing at a dizzying pace, taking techniques and making them as just a part of the cameras feature set, allowing even newbies to just click away and get 'good enough' shots without really knowing what they're doing. The real artists are who will survive at the full-time level, and that will mainly be in the wedding field where there is demand for true artists and the money to pay them. The same cannot be said for about almost any other genre, where 'good enough' has become the standard. It's why it's rare to see photographers on most magazine staffs anymore. Look at the staff page the next time you pick up your favorite magazine--most of them will use some regularly contributed user submissions--ie free pictures.

And I have to disagree with print quality being limited based on dslr or p&s. There are a few p&s out there with quality lenses that can compete with the dslrs. A good lab can take a good shot and make it great in any size. It's one of the reasons I use Smugmug and Bay Photo. They make everything look better than I expect it to be.
Well the ones who give away free shoots in our main field of focus, being family, child/baby, wedding, etc..., are the ones who are just starting out with their 300 dollar XSi, and D3000 and shoot only on Automatic! Their quality and post production is simply not up to par in most situations. We stay busy on a good level for hobbiests. We are not looking to go full time with it either. This is simply a way for us to give great quality shots to people for lower than studio prices on most situations. We have 3 kids and we had taken the first two to studios every month after they were born for pictures...finally we decided we weren't getting what we wanted and started doing the pictures ourselves and it progressed from there!

I totally agree about the technology being put straight to camera and basically cutting out post production for most shots. Its almost like they don't want people to learn how to be a true photographer anymore and they just say "click the button and get a beautiful picture"! Which is true in some cases, but eventually those people with those types of cameras will run into a road block along the way and have to learn how to actually do other things!

The only magazines I look at are Automotive and Photography, but most of them use freelance photographers. Not sure of the pay of these photographers, but I know most of the automotive ones get paid for their work.

As far as quality in p&s vs. dslr, I said "in most cases".lol I know that there are a few point and shoots out there that can compete, but they are just simply not capable of doing the wide range that a good quality dslr can do. They can print some decent 4x6, 5x7 and possibly some 8x10s as long as they framed it correctly, but try getting a p&s to print a 24x36 canvas or aluminum print and test your quality against a good dslr print of the same size. You never see photographers using a point and shoot camera at a wedding or a portrait shoot! There are good reasons for this as well!lol
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