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Old September 16th   #1
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2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/16/b...ntent=FaceBook



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Hyundai is preparing to reveal the facelifted 2013 Genesis Coupe, and we now have what is perhaps our best look yet at the updated car's Veloster-ified front fascia thanks to the folks over at Hyundai-Blog. We won't see the final design until closer to the car's 2012 Detroit Auto Show debut in January, but after plenty of camera phone shots and spy photos, we have no reason to believe that things will change much from what you see here.

As we've reported many times before, it's pretty safe to assume that the 2013 Genesis Coupe will use the updated, direct-injected 3.8-liter V6 that's available in the Genesis Sedan, producing 333 horsepower. We're confident that the 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-four will also carry over, and we can't help but cross our fingers that Hyundai found some way to shoehorn the big 5.0-liter, 429-hp V8 under the coupe's sleek hood, however unlikely that might be.
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lol, no doubt the Korean manufacturers are taking cues from their Japanese counterparts.
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yeah, because its not like the Koreans/Chinese don't rip off everyone ideas on everything else or anything

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I remember when the Genesis was 1st set to debut... so much hype, so little bang


its trying so hard to be a Nissan Z, its not even funny... and if you think Ford, Gm, Dodge, etc. are some pains in the tail when it comes to a warranty claim... break a Hyundai... a friend of mine had a DROP-IN K&N air filter on his Tiburon and they tried every trick in the book to "blame" the filter for the problem... it was seriously a multi-month ordeal in which case he had to threaten them with legal action to FINALLY get his car fixed... he made like 3 car payments on it while trying to get it all worked out, they even had the service records in house where they had serviced it... it was a joke

and Hyundai USA was the one causing the problems, the dealership had to get the work approved to them and they did everything they could to NOT fix it

personally, i'm a domestic V8 guy anyway, however, the horror story he lived(and I saw it personally, not an internet "rumor) was enough to say I wouldn't even ever consider a Hyundai... he wasn't one to beat on his car at all and it started getting these random misfires, he took it in and they replaced the plugs, etc... didn't fix it... turns out if had lost compression on one of the cylinders and the fun began from there... K&N air filters=death of a Tiburon, lol
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Hyundai started out making really cheap cars to make a profit that they rolled into turning themselves into a real car manufacturer. There's A LOT of people that got burned by their old business tactics that will never buy from them again. But those same people are no longer their target customer anymore, so they could care less. It's not exactly what I would have done to build a company, but it seems to have worked for them. Their quality has gone up tremendously.
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The interiors of the new Hyundais are better than Honda and Toyota, but not Acura or Lexus, of course. Except the Genesis sedan and the Equus which are on par with the other luxury brands.

A lot of opinions on a brand that most have never driven. People that stick with the whole "it's a Hyundai" thing are more about vanity than anything else.

Here's some cost of ownership for the Genesis Coupes for comparison:

http://www.internetautoguide.com/17-...ownership.html

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/21/2...-drive-review/
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I almost got the new Elantra but I found the used Civic for about 5k less so it was better for my budget. I do agree Hyundai has stepped their game up big time. My main critique of the new Genesis is the bodystyle. I don't doubt it will be fast.
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Hyundai started out making really cheap cars to make a profit that they rolled into turning themselves into a real car manufacturer. There's A LOT of people that got burned by their old business tactics that will never buy from them again. But those same people are no longer their target customer anymore, so they could care less. It's not exactly what I would have done to build a company, but it seems to have worked for them. Their quality has gone up tremendously.
oh... that isn't the only reason I wouldn't buy one, I wouldn't buy any Japanese or Korean car... if the money isn't going back to Detroit, I personally have no use for it

and i'm sure some will chime in "your Camaro was built in Canada" and "Hyundais are assembled in Alabama"... but at the end of the day, the money generated off my Camaro, is going to the Motor City... the Hyundai.... back to Korea


same way with Honda, Nissan, Toyota, etc... Union people seem to understand this, yet the media still loves to bash us whenever given the chance


as far as from the enthusiast stand point, I can respect any cars performance and really don't talk crap about any car, what someone else chooses to drive is their American right... I just have my own personal beliefs and stand by them, wish others did as well though, country wouldn't be in the shape it is in today if we all had the attitude of our grand parents back in the day
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Any company that can't stand on its own two feet and not rob taxpayers no longer deserves my money or deserves to be called American. Robbing Americans to prop up your badly run crappy company is as un-American as it gets, GM.
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do you not realize the number of jobs that would have been lost had the Big 3 went under? we're not talking thousands, it'd be in the millions...

Also, during the Crisis, Nissan took the biggest hit at a 44% market loss, they also took a bail out from the Japanese government, as did Honda and Toyota... the only manufacturer who didn't take a bailout? Ford... why? Ford got in a little trouble in the early/mid 2000s and restructured back then, therefore they had more liquid assets available than most other manufacturers... they used the "we didn't take a bailout" thing to help boost sales but in reality their own failure in the early 2000s was the ONLY reason why they didn't because they were ahead of the curve when it came to restructuring

anyone who thinks the bailout wasn't a smashing success needs to go take some economic courses on the collegiate level, because in case you haven't noticed, GM has more than bounced back... besides do people not realize how much money the Government is making off on interest on those loans? and will continue to make off of those loans for years? I wish I could go into the business of making what they are making off of those loans
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You either believe in the free market or you don't.

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WASHINGTON—The White House said Wednesday that taxpayers could lose roughly $14 billion of the money spent on auto industry bailouts
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...NewsCollection

If I'm having to subsidize a job, then it doesn't need to be there.

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and that is "projection"... which they've already reduced from 60%.......to now under 20% in 2 years, in other words... the media is grasping for straws to try to make it look like a failure

no one wants to just soak it up and say: you know, that really worked


they wrote an article that says "Government may lose"... where is the article that says "Chance the Government will make BILLIONS of auto bailout"


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as far as socialism vs free market, anyone against socialism needs to stay off the public streets, out of state buildings, and don't call the police or firemen when you need help, because "socialism" pays for all of those luxuries


oh yeah for the people here in college, if you are on scholarship or using a student loan, oh, you socialist you... people want to talk a big game against socilalism.... you know, when its NOT benefiting them, unfortunately, we all DO benefit from it
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I'm a GM guy and always will be. All I have ever owned was GM, and that's the way ill stay. GM got to big for their pants when they started buying Hummer, Saab and all the other useless companies. I hated to see pontiac go, and think really it should have stayed and they could have lost the GMC brand and merged it into the Chevrolet line up.

As far as the unions go - don't get me started. The idea behind the unions are good. But they forget the point of running a business is to make a product and make a profit, not simply employee people they lose me.(my dad is UAW BTW)

I like the looks of that new car. It looks fast sitting still and I dig the front end fascia
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yeah and I guess I should have just kept my mouth shut, i'm really not one of those guys who runs around bashing imports... I go to a lot of meets, there are a lot of imports, I have a lot of friends who are into imports, i've helped turn a wrench on an import... I just prefer to build V8s, love the sound, love the low end torque, love RWD, etc...

you can make a turbo I4 or V6 fast, but at the end of the day, it won't sound like this, lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjXSHdqqY7M
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as far as socialism vs free market, anyone against socialism needs to stay off the public streets, out of state buildings, and don't call the police or firemen when you need help, because "socialism" pays for all of those luxuries


oh yeah for the people here in college, if you are on scholarship or using a student loan, oh, you socialist you... people want to talk a big game against socilalism.... you know, when its NOT benefiting them, unfortunately, we all DO benefit from it
Heard this strawman a million times before. So easy to beat down not going to waste my time.
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Also, aside from the argument whether the bailout "worked", any good businessperson knows you never throw good money after bad. Rewarding bad behavior never solves problems. Hey, didn't we bail out Chrysler in the early 80s already? How did that work out for us?

And guess who got screwed and who got rewarded in the most recent restructuring:

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Coffey, a retiree in Nevada who invested $55,000 in bonds in the old GM that are now worthless, was outraged that the union is on its way to recovering all its money before investors get even a cent of compensation.

"We just sat and watched [the stock offering]. We got nothing," he said. "Screwed again."
Yep, that's normally illegal if you know anything about bankruptcy proceedings.

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The generous share of GM stock given to the union trust fund under the White House deal puts it not only ahead of the Treasury but on a par with secured creditors such as banks, which normally receive the most favorable treatment from bankruptcy courts.

Perhaps the biggest losers are the investors in the old GM. None of the bankrupt company's previous stockholders got any money, while the claims of thousands of investors who purchased the company's bonds are still being kicked around in a Manhattan bankruptcy court.

"It gives outraged flashbacks to the old GM bondholders," who remain mired in the bankruptcy proceedings and are unlikely to recover more than 30 percent of their investments, Mr. Reynolds said.
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Why listen to the media? It's all a conspiracy, geez.
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oh... that isn't the only reason I wouldn't buy one, I wouldn't buy any Japanese or Korean car... if the money isn't going back to Detroit, I personally have no use for it

and i'm sure some will chime in "your Camaro was built in Canada" and "Hyundais are assembled in Alabama"... but at the end of the day, the money generated off my Camaro, is going to the Motor City... the Hyundai.... back to Korea


same way with Honda, Nissan, Toyota, etc... Union people seem to understand this, yet the media still loves to bash us whenever given the chance


as far as from the enthusiast stand point, I can respect any cars performance and really don't talk crap about any car, what someone else chooses to drive is their American right... I just have my own personal beliefs and stand by them, wish others did as well though, country wouldn't be in the shape it is in today if we all had the attitude of our grand parents back in the day
I haven't said anything thus far as I have just been sitting back and trying to hear what you have to say, and this is what I have discovered...you really enjoy starting arguments. You say you appreaciate all cars but you don't hesitate to bash another car company when given the opportunity. If you truly "appreciate" all cars, then just appreciate them without all of the fuss and fury. We ALL know you're a chevy guy to the core. The fact is that opening auto manufacturing plants, no matter where they are located, brings jobs to said area thus stimulating that areas economy. Therefore not "ALL" of the car companies money is headed back to their homeland. Some of that money stays here. Our American car companies have made bad financial decisions but we are on the come up. Nuff said.

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i've never 'bashed' any car on this forum, all i've said is that the Genesis is trying way too hard to be a Nissan 350Z(which is quite OBVIOUS) and that Hyundai's warranty practices are questionable at best...

my knock has not been on its performance, for the high 20s, its not bad... I mean its no 2011 Mustang GT or 1SS Camaro, but its not a bad performer by any means... I was always a pretty big fan of the 350Zs(370Zs, not so much) and this car is a blatant knock off... though it carries more lines of the G35 I will say

I am a GM guy, i've admitted to that much in the past, a no, you won't see a non-UAW car in my driveway... and no, i'm not a member of the UAW

Am a union electrician(IBEW Local 558) but not UAW
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