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Old January 6th   #1
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Congratulations to General Motors: Worst Car Stock of 2011

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That site is a little one sided eh? "Less government" ?
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What's pretty remarkable here is how the two domestic automakers, which posted market share increases and impressive sales numbers for the year, saw their stock prices decline more than the two major Japanese automakers, Toyota and Honda (NYSE: HMC ) . These two companies had to deal with three major crises in 2011: the March earthquake and tsunami in Japan, the floods in Thailand, and the strength of the yen, which drastically erodes profits for cars made in Japan and sold abroad. Yet despite all three of these issues, Honda's and Toyota's stock declined 27.1% and 21.5%, respectively, significantly less than that of both domestic automakers.

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That site is a little one sided eh? "Less government" ?
I'd say definitively so from the article.
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Its amazing how much better Japanese are at management. That's why when we were giving them advice on the natural disasters, I wanted to tell us to 'shut up'.
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Wost car stock of 2011 may be true, but so is the fact that that camaro is spanking the mustang in car sales for 2 consecutive years. I just might buy some of that crappy stock, looks like its on the rise

Oh and what Wilson said
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At least our Gov helped an American company to at least produce cars for jobs here

Federal Government to offer bailout to Japanese automaker Nissan to produce cars in Japan.

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AP source: Ford, Nissan, Tesla to get govt loans

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Energy Department is lending money to the Ford Motor Co. and two other automakers from a $25 billion fund to develop fuel-efficient vehicles, congressional officials say.

Energy Secretary Steven Chu was scheduled to announce the loan funding for Ford, Nissan Motor Co. and Tesla Motors Inc. on Tuesday in Dearborn, Mich., the officials said. They requested anonymity because an official announcement was pending...

Nissan is developing an all-electric car with 100 miles of pure battery range for release in late 2010. The car will be made in Japan initially but company officials have said they eventually want to build the vehicle at Nissan's plant in Smyrna, Tenn

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and for the record - Nissan stock is down 15.2% for the last years totals.
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The car will be made in Japan initially but company officials have said they eventually want to build the vehicle at Nissan's plant in Smyrna, Tenn...
I don't see this happening until the car is very widely accepted. And when enthusiastic owners are even running into issues on a measly 150mi trip, it's crazy to think the rest of us will adopt:
http://www.plugincars.com/southern-c...ng-111351.html

12hrs?!?!? For 150mi? Let's see, that's little less than 13mi/hr?!? I can't move that slow in a car. It defeats the purpose.
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can't a human run around that speed. I was thinking that a man at WOT can run around 11 to 13 mph. Screw that I'd ride my bicycle LOL
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can't a human run around that speed. I was thinking that a man at WOT can run around 11 to 13 mph. Screw that I'd ride my bicycle LOL
I've definitely ran 12 miles in under an hour before.
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I was thinking that a man at WOT can run around 11 to 13 mph.
I wonder what a little nitrous would do? Hopefully not make him giggly and pass out while running...
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I've definitely ran 12 miles in under an hour before.
I was thinking a runner could do these speeds. But for 12hrs straight? Run Forest Run! lol
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I was thinking a runner could do these speeds. But for 12hrs straight? Run Forest Run! lol
Not at those speeds for 12 hours.

Elite marathon runners run 26.2 miles in just over 2 hours, though. And they do have ultramarathons that are 50kilometers+.

The fastest sprinters run less than 25mph for 100meters, too.
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They got the same problem as the electric car--range.
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They got the same problem as the electric car--range.
that is only problem i have with plug in electric vehicles. in all other aspects they "can" compete with a internal combustion powered vehicle. electric motors produce maximum torque at any rpm, so they can be very peppy, and as the technology evolves, they will get faster. i have seen what a electric motor will do in a RC vs a Nitro engine, and they can be pretty well matched, but at the end of the day, the electric car is recharging batteries while the nitro guy refills the tank and continues racing.
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I completely agree. And it's why I think plug-in hybrids like the Volt and Karma are the immediate future, not fully electric cars like the Leaf and Tesla.

The GM EV1 was a spectacular success of an electric car. It really sucks that they disabled and destoyed them because they were 'too expensive'. It's interesting to see how history is just repeating itself almost 20yrs later. The EV1 would have actually been very affordable now.
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battery technology has come a long way since the EV1 as well. the motors are getting more and more efficient right along with the batteries. in 20 years, this technology may be the norm, but for right now, it's simply not there.
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I know! Could you imagine an EV1 built with current technology? Lithium-Ion vs Nickel-Metal-Hydride--I bet the range would have doubled! And since it was a Saturn product, someone could have bought the tooling as scrap for pennies on the dollar.

I ran into this article about a couple of EV1s that were re-activated or may still be running out there:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1642

It's amazing that this car has the lowest drag coefficient in the history of production cars according to the data in wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automob...ag_coefficient

The second place is impressive too--a 1935 Tatra T77A.

Someone apparently had a video of an EV1 on youtube that was de-limited for high-speed testing, and it hit 186mph. The video has since been removed, probably at the request of GM.

I'd love to grab the scrapped EV1s and start re-manufacturing them with today's technology. It couldn't be that hard to update them to the current FMVSS safety standards. Tooling and all that would be tough, but I know at least all the old owners would buy 'their car' back.
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I'd say definitively so from the article.
One of the freedoms we all share.
Its amazing how much better Japanese are at management. That's why when we were giving them advice on the natural disasters, I wanted to tell us to 'shut up'.
our nuclear program is MILES ahead of Japans, that is a fact

we have a stricter Nuclear policy in America than ANYONE in the entire world, its why you see people like TVA getting fined regularly, be thankful for those fines, etc... because they are prevention from disaster... and the policies are constantly updated

and that is why we got involved in their disaster relief, had nothing to do with flooding, etc... and its why they finally sit down and let us do work

being how all of us would be greatly effected if anything ever happened at Brown's Ferry, etc. we should all be glad that we do have a great nuclear disaster prevention plan here in America, lol


as far as the original topic, I don't do biased Political websites, have better ways to spend my time, lol
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