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Old November 10th   #1
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Any hybrid electric events?

Hi folks,

I didn't have any hits on 'prius' with the search engine and was wondering if there are any hybrid-electric events or groups in the area?

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Old November 10th   #2
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When Penistar Electronics was owned by Chrysler they had a electric mini van. It would do better than 80 MPH. This was over 10 yrs ago. the shop was on wholesale st off of jordan lane. It shared space with the large trucks they were updating..I will try to recall the lead engineers name and post...
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Old November 11th   #3
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When Penistar Electronics was owned by Chrysler they had a electric mini van. It would do better than 80 MPH. This was over 10 yrs ago. the shop was on wholesale st off of jordan lane. It shared space with the large trucks they were updating..I will try to recall the lead engineers name and post...
Thanks. If they'd have put a small, 20-30 hp diesel powered generator that cranked up up when the battery level ran low, they'd have had one of the first, hybrid electrics and the type of vehicle still not available. The 'prius plus' project is putting together what I'd really prefer and is one of the directions I'm headed with mine. I would like to invite him to speak.

What I'm thinking about doing is announce a hybrid-electric car rally in February. The goal would be a user-run, 'hybrid experience' meeting to share 'lessons learned' and technques. Anyone could come but speakers would be the owner-operators.

We would meet at Beauregard's on Jordan on a Saturday afternoon with some parking spaces reserved for 'show' hybrids and talks about hybrid driving techniques and technology. We'll invite service managers and car repair shops to share what is important to keeping these cars in good shape.

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From looking at your web site, you're into shortest-path and least-cost routes. This is something I've always been facinated with and experiment with on almost a daily basis in every aspect of my life.

I probably have some fuel conserving techniques I can share with you since I manage to get 40mpg out of my Galant and almost 26mpg in my over 350whp Corvette.

And I'm sure there are others out there that share some of the same interest in efficiency and hybrid vehicles. I think you could start a hybrid car club in the area with little effort. I'll help any way I can.
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Samir...get me over 9 mpg and I'll be happy. LoL
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I probably have some fuel conserving techniques I can share with you since I manage to get 40mpg out of my Galant and almost 26mpg in my over 350whp Corvette.
There are a lot of techniques that work on gas-only cars as well as hybrids. Before the accident, my '91 Camry had gotten 38 mpg, city, versus the normal 32 mpg. I had adopted two techniques: (1) 'clutch' idle, and (2) predictive braking. For 'clutch' idle, crest a hill at the lowest possible safe speed and then push in clutch to minimize engine braking. Predictive braking is when approaching a red-light in the distance, brake early to 25-30 mph and 'coast' to the light. This gives the light a chance to change green before you have to come to a stop.

I think what would work is get a hybrid-electric group going and as we develop some stability, then open up a 'fuel only' auxillary for gas and diesels.

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And I'm sure there are others out there that share some of the same interest in efficiency and hybrid vehicles. I think you could start a hybrid car club in the area with little effort. I'll help any way I can.
As I form up my ideas, a sounding board would help. For example, my first thoughts are:

- Saturday afternoon, President's Day Weekend, 1:00-4:00 PM
- Reserve Beauregard's on Jordan lane's free meeting room
- Get permission from parking lot owner to 'reserve' 5 slots for show
- A web page to support group and membership
- Solicit papers and volunteers to help organize
- Negotiate announcements with local hybrid-electric dealers
- Send announcements to local repair and service shops
- Send public announcements to Huntsville, Decatur and Athens papers
- Kick-off meeting two weekends before to finalize program
- Door prizes for hybrid owners who bring cars

Success of the first meeting is whether or not we have folks who follow-up and help organize a second meeting. We'd probably shoot for the weekend before Memorial Day to have a second meet and invite the "fuel only" folks. With traditional gas hikes for the Memorial Day weekend, we should have no problem with a crowd.

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As I form up my ideas, a sounding board would help. For example, my first thoughts are:

- Saturday afternoon, President's Day Weekend, 1:00-4:00 PM
- Reserve Beauregard's on Jordan lane's free meeting room
- Get permission from parking lot owner to 'reserve' 5 slots for show
- A web page to support group and membership
- Solicit papers and volunteers to help organize
- Negotiate announcements with local hybrid-electric dealers
- Send announcements to local repair and service shops
- Send public announcements to Huntsville, Decatur and Athens papers
- Kick-off meeting two weekends before to finalize program
- Door prizes for hybrid owners who bring cars

Success of the first meeting is whether or not we have folks who follow-up and help organize a second meeting. We'd probably shoot for the weekend before Memorial Day to have a second meet and invite the "fuel only" folks. With traditional gas hikes for the Memorial Day weekend, we should have no problem with a crowd.

Bob Wilson
Wow, if you can put something like this together, I'll help promote it the best I can and give you whatever support I can offer. It sounds like a good plan.
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Samir...get me over 9 mpg and I'll be happy. LoL
I'd be lucky to be able to get 15 out of yours. A big block has that effect on fuel usage.
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I'd be lucky to be able to get 15 out of yours. A big block has that effect on fuel usage.
Ahh...the price you pay for torque and horsepower...comes out to about $3.00 a gallon...at least 3 weeks ago it was. lol
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Ahh...the price you pay for torque and horsepower...comes out to about $3.00 a gallon...at least 3 weeks ago it was. lol
And you know, I don't understand why it is that much in our area. In the last month I've been to both NY and LA and the price for premium was well under $3, sometimes so low it's almost $2.50.
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And you know, I don't understand why it is that much in our area. In the last month I've been to both NY and LA and the price for premium was well under $3, sometimes so low it's almost $2.50.
I heard the other day ont he radio that there are places in Georgia where its under $2
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- Saturday afternoon, President's Day Weekend, Feb. 18, 12:00-4:00 PM
- Beauregard's on Jordan lane's meeting room
- Visited Bill Penny's and the Honda dealer (no expectations)
(Negotiate announcements with local hybrid-electric dealers)

Things to do:
- Get permission from parking lot owner to 'reserve' 5 slots for show
- A web page to support group and membership
- Solicit papers and volunteers to help organize
- Send announcements to local repair and service shops
- Send public announcements to Huntsville, Decatur and Athens papers
- Kick-off meeting two weekends before to finalize program
- Door prizes for hybrid owners who bring cars
It is hard to tell what a dealer 'thinks'. The lady I spoke with at Bill Penny's was enthused and offered to pass my contact information on to a former employee and Prius advocate.

The Honda dealer was afraid I wanted their Civic customer list . . . no expectations there. Yet one of the other Honda salesmen said, "That lady who was unhappy with her car . . ." after I mentioned ". . . learning how to drive the car to get the best performance."

BTW, I've added the 45 and 50 mph data points to the MPG vs. MPH chart. It appears that 'something bad' happens at 40 and 45 mph. The workaround is to slow to 35 in 40 mph zones and speed to 50 mph in 45 mph zones. It will be fun to figure out what causes this dip and I have some ideas.

One hypothsis is that transitioning between electric-to-gas or gas-to-electric mode has some previously undiagnosed inefficiency. However, it could also be that the engine and transmission are unusually inefficient at middle speed, partial power modes. Once I get my inverter installation finished this weekend, I should be able to measure exactly what is going on.


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Many years ago when local racer and engineer the late Tommy Andrews was working with NASA on a moonbuggy prototype. He and someone whos name escapes me built a electric car using a VW trans axel assy and a starter motor from some type of jet engine. It had a lot of 6 volt batterys. It was heavy and slow maybe 35 mph and a limited range 25 or so miles but they had fun. it had a lighting bolt painted on the side. after a short while the floor pan bent way down and they junked it out..It was mostly driven to the parts house or a coffee shop called the dog house..Sorry I just thought about it as this happened about 1970 or so.... Good Luck..Sh* I miss Tommy..He was great fun to be around and could always help out with any engineering problem you had...Bobby..

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